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There has been a lot said, both positive and negative, about the influence of PitchforkMedia.com on music. Pitchfork proponents hail it as a one-stop-shop for trustworthy opinions on music that don’t pander to the masses. A brain-trust of witty, insightful writers combine to make a whole lot of music available to the masses. A favorable review from the King of Hipster Media can vault an unknown band into the spotlight (see: Broken Social Scene, Arcade Fire, Titus Andronicus), giving opportunities to bands without huge advertising budgets, savvy managers, or more than a few great tracks. Pitchfork wades through the crap so you don’t have to, finding the diamonds in the roughest of the rough. Through good writing and exhaustive coverage, Pitchfork has metamorphosed from a twinkle in Ryan Schreiber’s eye into the biggest website in indie music, getting almost a quarter of a million hits per day.
The detractors are eager to contest, however, and they have some good ground to stand on. Pitchfork relies on individual reviewers, they argue, whose opinion often carries a gargantuan weight. A dismissal from the ‘fork means months of writing and recording practically down the drain, hindering careers just as often (or more) than it helps those small-time artists. Equally, Pitchfork lives to create buzz, latching onto the newest trend in indie music to bring it to the forefront. When Justin Timberlake came out with FutureSex/Lovesounds in 2006, Pitchfork hyped it up and it was all of a sudden cool to like pop again. In 2007, Feist and Regina Spektor got good reviews and it was suddenly the Year of the Female Vocalist. Fleet Foxes and Beach House hit in 2008, and lo-fi choral groups were back in style. And Pitchfork was there through it all. Critics are quick to point out that being in Pitchfork’s buzz-genre of the moment is a definite point (literally, 1 point out of ten sometimes) in your favor.
In perhaps the best overall summary of Pitchfork, the band The Airborne Toxic Event took umbrage with the site’s review in the form of a public letter. Citing their own respect – nay, love – for Pitchfork, they also say, “We love indie rock and we know full well that Pitchfork doesn’t so much critique bands as critique a band’s ability to match a certain indie rock aesthetic.†While that is certainly a simplification, it’s a viewpoint that isn’t rare.
But I’m getting side-tracked. I didn’t come here to discuss whether Pitchfork is Good, Bad, or Indifferent – the answer to all of those is a resounding “Maybeâ€. Instead, I wanted to share a realization I had.
Pitchfork Media is the Google of music.
Right? Not the HypeM/elbo.ws, “search for the tracks you want to find†Google Doppelganger. But in its role, growth, structure, etc. Let’s break it down.
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Pitchfork was started by one dude in 1995 as “TurnTableâ€, a monthly dispatch of review and interviews. It soon grew, bolstered by popularity, one would presume, and became “Pitchfork“ in 1996. Coincidentally, 1996 is the same year that “BackRub†was started by a couple dudes. The same “BackRub†that would grow, bolstered by popularity, one would presume, and become “Google†in 1997.
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Over the next few years, Pitchfork and Google grew, to the extent that they became the de facto standard. They filtered through the extraneous junk to bring you the information you were interested in, and they were both damn good at it. They became the talk of the town, embracing their own subcultures – Hipsters and Nerds respectively. People started to Google things, and artists began to talk about the Pitchfork Effect.
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Both Pitchfork and Google are obsessed with The Cool. Not the Lupe album – although, P4k did give it an 8.1 – but the idea of what is cool. At Google it’s High-Tech, and at Pitchfork it’s lo-fi. Google obsesses over the newest, most original services (blogger, orkut, jotspot, youtube), Pitchfork obsesses over the newest, most original music. Pitchfork embodies hipsters, Google embodies hip? Sure, we’ll go with that. Suffice it to say that they’re both concerned with image, sometimes to the point of valuing style over substance.
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They both make their money almost entirely off of ads, using content to create cash.
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Both have encountered criticism simply due to size, echoing concerns that the sites have become too big to be good. Google is too controlling, people argue, and Pitchfork too single minded. From servile to hegemonic in a decade, and they’re both still expanding. Google bought YouTube in 2006, Pitchfork quickly followed suit in 2008 with Pitchfork.tv. Google hosts loads of famous artists on their Mountain View Campus, while Pitchfork started P4k Festival in 2k6, and began co-curating ATP in 2007. What’s next? PMail? Googcast? Pitchmaps? NOTE TO PITCHFORK: Please make PCal. You have all the CD release dates, TV dates, and Tour information. Please put them together into a calendar organizable by city. Do it for the kids.
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The Google/Pitchfork parallel is an interesting one to look at, particularly looking forward to the future. Google has continued to grow, exponentially, creeping into more and more parts of peoples’ lives – you might use its browser to load its photo application to store the pictures that a friend e-mailed you in their mail program. On their phone. Google sprawl has become a given, and it has happened seemingly seamlessly. Similarly, Pitchfork has set its sights on being more than a simple music site – creating original video content, organizing annual festivals, and publishing books. Where will Pitchfork go next? What will happen if Pitchfork is hit with an indie-backlash and it becomes the music news/reviews source for the masses, going against the very principles it was founded on? Has that already happened?
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It’s always fascinating to watch a small idea grow while struggling to maintain its personality and core values. Google has done it perhaps better than any company ever, growing from 2 nerds to over 4,000 in 10 years, and making billions of dollars in the process. Pitchfork is Google’s musically inclined cousin, and is at a decision-point, deciding where and when to make the next leap. Publishing is one place, for sure, but what’s next? Do books become albums, with the Pitchfork Label one of the most prestigious in the industry? Does Pitchfork.tv become an actual real live cable channel to fill the void left by MTV’s lack of actual music programming? Does Pitchfork merge with another music service (HypeMachine?) to offer a more cohesive music experience? Does Pitchfork Radio launch on XM? What about Pitchfork social media (myspace without the Toms and Tilas)?
Whatever the course may be, it’s probably going to be fresh and it’s probably going to be cool. And you can pretty much guarantee that yuppies and hipsters everywhere will be talking about it at the watercooler/mom’s basement on Monday, unimpressed/over it by Tuesday, and still checking it/still checking it on Friday. Right after they check their Gmail.
Chris Barth is a guest-blogger here at Pretty Much Amazing. You can read his daily entries at his blog, The Stu Reid Experiment.
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I don’t know how you have the time to write such long articles, but I enjoy them. This parallel would’ve never crossed my mind since AllMusic has become my personal music Bible, but it’s an interesting one nonetheless. I personally use Pitchfork for its News section.
Pitchfork isn’t the Google of modern music, it’s just Rolling Stone for the web 2.0 generation. As the music industry changes, so must the music critiquing industry. Pitchfork uses MySpace instead of one sheets and ‘net space instead of glossy pages. It’s not inventing or redefining like Google, it’s merely updating a form of cometary that is as old as music itself.
The world is moving fast these days, as is the music scene. Pitchfork is blogging proof of this. They are not defining ‘hipster’ trends, rather hipster trends are defining them.
Speaking of which, I would really like to see a Thinking Man’s Take on ‘the hipster’.
i never knew any of that before. really interesting article!!
Interesting read, but (and I hope you take this as critical assessment rather than insult) after paragraph 3 it couldn’t have been much more wrong.
The premise isn’t outrageous, but there’s really no structured argument here, just “here’s a few things Google and Pitchfork have in common, OK that’s done so they obviously must be the same in every way, now lets apply some of their details to each other and see what crazy shit we can come up with.”
That being said, even if a few similarities were a satisfying condition to declare Pitchfork and Google kindred web spirits, the similarities aren’t exactly rock solid themselves. Both launched in ~1996? Really? Just in search engines alone Ask.com launched in 1996 as AskJeeves, Altavista in December of 1995, and Yahoo! all the way back in 1994. Maybe Pitchfork is the Yahoo’s hipster twin.
(An aside: I won’t get all geeky on you, and you did kind of allude to this yourself, but suffice it to say that technologically speaking Pitchfork is more akin to the original “directory” model of Yahoo! whereas Google has significantly more in common with aggregators like Hype Machine.)
Anyway, why stop at search engines? There are tons of things in their infancy in the mid-Nineties that have totally penetrated the society since. Maybe Pitchfork is Cell Phones. Or DVDs. Or environmental awareness. Etc. Etc.
Point 2 (paraphrased):
Then we arrive at a point I don’t think you make very well, but is worth discussing. It can basically be boiled down to
But really, as a result of Pitchfork pushing Fleet Foxes et al. really hard, did people not listen to enough electro/nouveau backpacker hip hop/paul simon-y world-pop-folk/”we were born in the 80s so we’re gonna make pop music like they had in the 80s”/insert-genre-here this year? I think that whole notion is a bit of a red herring.
(Another aside: I do like the idea of PCal, but it also reminds me of something I don’t like. Namely, the notion that anyone aside from record label employees gives a shit about release dates. People who really like a particular band are much more interested in the day 3 weeks/months before the album release when it leaks on the torrent sites, and people who are ambivalent never cared about the release date to begin with.)
Then come the dreamy mashup ideas, none of which, I pray, will ever come to fruition. Pitchfork.tv will never be a TV network, IPTV will be widespread long before Pitchfork has enough cash on hand to attempt to launch a cable network, even in just a few markets. And when IPTV is widely adopted, *gasp*, they’ll be well prepared, as long as they start allowing embeds. They can start printing books if they like, provided that their goal is to go bankrupt as quickly as possible. They probably will merge with some streaming audio site at some point, but I hope it’s not Hype Machine because it’s my favorite, and whichever one they do merge with will inevitably be the worse for it. Finally, a Pitchfork social network may actually be the one thing that could make it officially uncool, for good.
Ultimately, there’s one big reason why a comparison between the two just does not compute. Pitchfork is a manufacturer; Google is a delivery medium. Pitchfork is Hearst, they’re NewsCorp, Tribune, you can insert any big media conglomerate in that comparison and it pretty adequately describes their mission. They cater to a smaller market, but it’s a growing one. And they want to make as much stuff as possible (written web content, web video, print content, live events) that market will want to consume.
Google doesn’t want to make anything. Google is smart enough to know that they can leave the creation to other people, they just need to be the best at helping you find the stuff you’ll like, and making it easy to integrate it into the rest of your life.
In short, Pitchfork is the publisher, but Google is the library.
I tried to use one of the HTML tags and totally screwed my post up.
Pg 6 should start: Point 2 (paraphrased): “Google and Pitchfork are successful industry leaders.” Every industry has a leader.
Pg 7: “Both make their money almost entirely off of ads” …like virtually every other successful website.
Pg 8: It can basically be boiled down to “Both have control over too much information.” The issue manifests itself in different ways.
I think it dropped only those 3 quotes. Lo siento.
I’ve liked all the other articles, but unlike some people, i enjoyed the parallel (though there were some good points to be made in that comment).
I just bookmarked your blog.
Which i fear, will be a pick up line in 5 years, but for now, it’s just a compliment.
@ ryanmf
You raise some really interesting points in your comment, and I definitely agree with a lot of them. I agree that the connection is tangential at best, and I particularly like thinking of Pitchfork as Yahoo’s hipster twin.
And while I do think that there are things that Pitchfork shares with, for instance, Cell Phones and H&M, I think there are a remarkable number of parallels between P4k and Google that raise interesting questions. Certainly they are far from clones of each other, but they have followed similar trajectories and fill a niche space in their respective fields that is rarer than you give it credit for being.
Yes, in short Pitchfork is the publisher and Google is the library. But I think more and more we are seeing people treat Google as a publisher and Pitchfork as a library. Google chooses what people see and what people don’t, essentially, through their search rankings and targeted ads, while Pitchfork is frequently treated as an aggregator of music news and review (with individuals as publishers). Yes, they perform different roles, but I would argue that they are both trending toward the gray area in the middle.
As for the “dreamy mashup ideas”, I think you may be surprised. I agree that some of the ideas a farfetched or whimsical, but two years ago, P4k TV would have been a pipedream. Pitchfork has already printed a book. Pitchfork already publishes tour dates/release dates in a haphazard manner. Making the jump to the next level might be less a leap of faith and more a smart business decision
I would say combining your thoughts and my thoughts would probably construct a fairly reasonable middleground – but where’s the fun in that?
Step Three
Get a good review at Pitchfork Media
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GZWQ5sa-ftQ
‘Doesn’t sound like a derivite to me’
Some good points, some thoughtfulness here, some stretching. I’d agree more with Rugfast above that the ‘Fork has positioned itself more as the RS for W2.0. But as music criticism goes, no one at the ‘Fork will ever hold the weight of classic Stone writers and reviewers like Greil Marcus, Jon Landau, Ben Fong-Torres, Paul Nelson, Anthony DeCurtis & David Fricke.
this article is absolutely ridiculous
pitchfork is NO more credible than any other review site/mag/etc; they are even worse on many accounts.
the majority of their staff is under 25 and has no idea where the music they’re listening to (praising as ‘original’/'unique) actually came from.
quick example:
arcade fire vs. echo & the bunnymen
just listen.
arcade fire is just one of thousands of new, ‘credible’ bands/artists that are simply a rip off of a band that their core demographic is JUST young enough to NOT know about.
also, why did vampire weekend (upper class, rich, trust fund police rip off artists) receive such a high rating on their lackluster, mediocre-at-best full length album?? because they’re ALL friends with the staff writers @ pitchfork.
check out staff reviewer, joshua love. he seems to think jenny lewis’ newest album was nothing special (i’ll agree; NOT saying it deserved ‘praise’, necessarily)… but check out what josh was up to before he landed his gig @ pitchfork…
instead of blindly trusting a ‘credible/legit’ review site (which kids do, because they’re lazy and want people to tell them what to listen to – see iLike, Pandora Radio, etc.) it would be fantastic if people were able to produce the effort necessary to see through pitchfork’s scam.
bottom line:
they’re helping their friends out because of how the public perceives them. nice scam.
It’s interesting to run across this post, we are having a similar conversation about Pitchfork on MusicalFamilyTree.com
here is a link
http://www.musicalfamilytree.net/profiles/blogs/pitchfork-disses-grampall
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Nonetheless undecided what you’re making an attempt to say but I do get a little bit of it I think. Thanks.
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